My atheist friend
told me the main reason he doesn’t believe in God has to do with all the evil
he sees in the world. “A good God,” he says, “would not allow all kinds of evil
to exist. Because evil exists, there can be no God.”
The question I asked
my friend was this, “How do you know evil exists? By qualifying God as good is to make a moral judgment. Defining evil based on the notion of good is to admit that God also exists!”
Atheist: “How so?”
Me: “Because your
definition of evil assumes moral goodness. Otherwise, how would you
define evil? You had to have some idea in your mind what is good to declare
something evil.”
Atheist: “Not
really! As we evolved into mental creatures, our survival depended on what is
better for our continuation as a species; and good is better than evil.”
Me: “But who
determined what was better? Darwinism teaches the survival of the fittest. If
the stronger, healthier, and more robust is fitter, they survive. If they are
also more evil, they will still survive. Isn’t this what Nazi Germany tried to
do? Hitler wanted to eliminate what he thought were the weaker link in a strong
nation. And I think you would agree that Hitler was evil! So, please tell me
how you define good, for evolution is not the answer.”
Atheist: “Good is
doing that which is right for our species; and trying to eliminate a part of
it, a certain people group, is wrong. It only brings war and war kills people,
which is bad.”
Me: “You can’t mean
that all war is bad. Otherwise, how would Hitler have been stopped?”
Atheist: “In that
case, it was good people rising up against evil to stop evil from continuing.”
Me: “But Hitler did
not think he was evil. He thought he was right. So, now we have your view and
Hitler’s view in contrast. What made you right and Hitler wrong? For you to
contrast what is good and evil means that you have within you some innate moral
fiber, which allows you to make a determination. And that moral fiber had to
come from somewhere.”
Atheist: “Yeah, it comes from me knowing right and wrong.”
Me: “No, it comes from something in your makeup that
evolution cannot explain with any precision. Just by saying that something is
good points to something bigger than you, and that something is Ultimate
Goodness.
Atheist: “Come on, you know that I don’t believe in an Ultimate Goodness, which you are going to tell me is
God.”
Me: “I’m saying any
determination of good is a moral decision and morality points to something
greater than you. To conquer evil, good must exist. And to have the moral courage to fight evil must come from within, not from some evolutionary process. Evolution
doesn’t explain why there are certain moral fundamentals, which crosses all
cultures.”
Atheist: “Like
what?”
Me: “Like not
killing off your own species or clan. Like honoring the ones who brought you
into the world. Like not stealing from those you love. Like doing good for
those who help you. And if goodness doesn’t evolve, then it must point to a
Being who instills a moral fiber it into his Creatures.”
Atheist: “So what
happened to Hitler? Did he have any good moral fiber?”
Me: “Absolutely; but
even then it can be overcome by evil if we let it. That is why we need
reminders of what is good; and that comes from the 10 commandments. But even
then, we need something more that restrains evil in the world—otherwise evil
will win out. And that something is an Ultimate Morality that gives grace to
people whether they believe in an Ultimate Goodness or not in order for them to
recognize the true and exercise courage to fight the wrong.”
Atheist: “There you
go again with the religious stuff. I still believe that all this can be
explained by evolution.
Me: “If that is the
case, then anything goes. Survival of the fittest tells us that those who are
stronger, better situated, and more politically motivated can take what they
want, including life, in order for their group to survive. Evolution would then
sanction what Islamic extremists are doing—even what Hitler did. Yet, the
reason most of the world dislikes what they do is evidence that there is a
greater good that desires to overcome the dastardly killing of those who oppose
such terrorists.”
Atheist: “There are
certain things that are just plain wrong—certain actions that are basically
evil!”
Me: “Can’t you see
that by admitting evil exists, you have just proven that God exists. By
saying ‘some things are just plain wrong’ is evidence of an absolute within
your psyche that you didn’t put there. You were born with it, which means you
were favored with a morality that is greater than you. Because you don’t understand why evil occurs is no reason to deny the
existence of a Being who endowed you with a sense of right and wrong. Because
you say there is evil in the world proves that there is a God who evidently
instilled the definition of right and wrong within your soul. To argue there is
no God is to argue there is no good. And that is untenable!”